Posts by Doubting Bro

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5000 PAGES OF DOCUMENTS OF JW PEDOPHILE CASES AVAILABLE! B ANDERSON BOOK

by Seeker4 in

barbara anderson has just released a new book on cd that contains some 5000 pages of public court records from the nine lawsuits involving 16 victims that the wts settled secretly in may of this year, plus documents from two other cases the society settled in 2000 and 2006.. .

its called secrets of pedophilia in an american religion: jehovahs witnesses in crisis.. .

the book, and more info from barbara about it, is available here:.

Doubting Bro

Thanks for the link Seeker! I've purchased my copy.

Barb, your efforts to bring this to light and your sacrifices are truely appreciated.

Bethel monitors - how long are you guys going to watch this and not realize something is fundamentally wrong? Do you honestly think that Jehovah is pleased with all the things that have happened with just this one issue? By the way, when the settlement hit the headlines, I swore I'd never give ONE PENNY again. And you've got the nerve to criticize the Catholic church for doing the same thing?

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Active Elders who post on JWD

by Honesty in

does your conscience torment you knowing that you are misleading the flock of god as you continue teaching them the heresies of the watchtower society?.

why are you staying in the organization and posting here at the same time?.

do you really believe that you can help your families to reject the watchtower society while remaining an elder and visibly appearing to support their lies and false teachings?.

Doubting Bro

Willyloman,

I felt exactly the same way as you did. Knowing that other elders had seen the things I had seen and felt the way I felt, it really helped me see that I wasn't the one who was insane (well, maybe the jury is out on that one!).

I remember some of the first posts I really read were Sir82's recap of the elder school that I was about to attend. When I heard word for word some of the things he brought out, I knew that not only he and some of the others were legit, but they were right about the ramblings of the WTS and in particular their Talmud.

Gary & Open Mind & others in the same situation - Your posting here may be of more help to a struggling JW than anything you say in the KH. So, I really hope that you continue!

Sir82, you talked about being the voice of reason, which is great. You realize that you won't be able to do it forever, but since you're there, even if you help just one person feel a little better then I applaud you. I tried that as well, but finally couldn't deal with it. My wife couldn't understand why I would come home after an elder's meeting and be in a generally bad mood. I just got tired of the fighting and the thickheadedness of some of my fellow elders. Again, I had a great excuse that I was able to exploit which made it much easier for me to step aside without the 3rd degree.

Seeker4 - you're right. But, if there was "hard core" porn and masterbation, that could be enough to be considered "loose conduct" and thus a JC. But, without the "hard core" porn, the most they can do to that kid is take away some privileges. Edited - Open Mind "beat" me to it!!

By the way, it was a thread by Seeker4 that finally moved me from a lurker to a poster and you have no idea what a positive experience that has been!

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Judicial Question: To All Active Elders..Or Those Requested to Meet...

by Lady Liberty in

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friends

dear friends,.

i have a question, that i was hoping someone out there would be able to answer: .

what would happen if the judicial committee recieved a letter from a medical doctor stating that due to a medical condition so & so will not be attending the jc meeting and the situation would be reviewed in 30 days by the doctor.

Doubting Bro

minimus is absolutely correct. I think the direction given would likely be 1) is the letter legit?, 2) what did the person do (allegedly)?, 3) is the person a "danger" to the congregation, 4) did they confess or were they turned in?

My guess would be that they just wait the 30 days and try again. I've seen it take almost that long to get one together due to scheduling conflicts anyway.

After the 30 days, if another letter came, it would likely be ignored. Unless, as Drew's case mentioned, the elders didn't want Bethel involved because it would expose them for something they wanted to hide.

There are no written guidelines (unless it came out within the last 8 months). The procedure would be to 1) call the CO or 2) call the Service desk directly.

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Active Elders who post on JWD

by Honesty in

does your conscience torment you knowing that you are misleading the flock of god as you continue teaching them the heresies of the watchtower society?.

why are you staying in the organization and posting here at the same time?.

do you really believe that you can help your families to reject the watchtower society while remaining an elder and visibly appearing to support their lies and false teachings?.

Doubting Bro

jgnat has a great point

It is these elders and other nominal JW's that the society is most afraid of.

Why do you think the WTS conductor has been instructed to not include outside research, the flock has been told to not do research outside the WT and the PT has been reduced to 30min with the same outlines? They know there are more than a few elders and others who have serious doubts or completely do not believe anymore. And, it scares them as well it should. I think the crackdown will serve to push more out or at least force them to abandon their positions of authority.

Gary1914, I can relate to what you are going through. When I started posting (was lurking for quite a while before) I too was an active elder. I used wesel words when giving talks (gee I wonder where I learned that particular skill?) and slacked off quite a bit in FS & meetings. However, the final straw for me came when they tried to give me a book study (I had one previously but had moved). I just could not bring myself to conduct that awful, insane Revelation climax book. PLUS (and I think this is the real reason) I had a reason that seemed legitimate to both the local elders and the WTS. That's something else that we should understand about these guys that are still elders. If they step aside, the questioning will be very intense (more so than a publisher would get if they skip meetings and service). A letter goes to the WTS with the stated reasons. If you express doubts (although OTWO did that and he hasn't faced the firing squad yet) you will more than likely get more attention than you would ever want.

I do think these active elders serve a vital link in helping the cults demise. They leak information, discourage loyalty in their local congregations in subtle ways and are difficult to ferret out. Make no mistake, the WTS holds its elders in extremely low opinion and in my opinion would love to figure out a way to replace them with a congregation servant whose loyalty is above question.

To all those guys currently elders, there will probably come a time when you can't stomach it anymore. In the meantime, your insight into what the WTS is up to is appreciated.

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Comments You Will not Hear will be taking a brief hiatus for the next 2 wks

by blondie in

or so due to health, availability of articles, and personal priorities.

after that, the format will be briefer consisting mostly of the article with fewer comments by me allowing more comments by readers/posters.. love, blondie.

Doubting Bro

Blondie,

Although I usually don't post on that thread, I ALWAYS read your review. Your efforts are greatly appreciated and I hope you enjoy your break. I can understand how exhausting doing that must be because I used to review the WT and using some of your ideas made lots of notes as well as looked up other things. But now, I just can't do it without getting disgusted and depressed.

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Are there still 'segregated congregations' in the US?

by AK - Jeff in

in the 70's and 80's i recall conversations with some fellow jdubs who had lived in the southern us.

they told me that some areas still had segregated halls - blacks would meet at different times or locations than whites.

is this still true, anyone know?

Doubting Bro

When my parents first came in (early 70s) there were segregated congregations where I lived. However, a year or so later, they were integrated. I was too young to really remember but I've questioned my parents before on it and they said there was some sort of state law. However, I don't believe that because the schools were integrated in the 60s. I remember that hall only had a couple of black families even after it was integrated, but I think that was just a geographical issue. As a matter of fact, my elementary school only had a couple of black kids so I think the congregation was a reflection of that particular community.

Most of my childhood was spent in a congregation that was split about 50-50 between white and black. I never saw any sort of racial issues there and everyone mixed very well. Lots of "gatherings", etc.

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My Brother Died in a Car Wreck Last Night

by WLG in

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friends

i just found out about an hour ago.

he wasn't even old enough to drink yet.. to make it even sh*ttier, he had called me a few weeks ago and asked if he could come out here with me but i couldn't do it at the time.

so of course the first thing that comes to mind is if i had done something different it wouldn't have happened.. he was going through the sh*t as i call it, when witnesses go off the deep end and get into everything in the world to stop hurting and they don't even know what is wrong.

Doubting Bro

(((WLG))) - I'm so sorry for your loss.

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LEECHES?!? LEECHES!?! You gotta be kiddin' !! Ever seen this?

by Open mind in

on my recent "college courses" thread, i got this contribution from veradico and thought it deserved it's own thread.

it was news to me.

this is a partial quote:.

Doubting Bro

OM,

I never knew about this either. This is almost as bad as the twisted logic they use for not allowing toasting. Its actually embarrasing that any of us believed one word the WT ever printed!

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How many have wives who think it's the truth?

by drew sagan in

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friends

the idea for this thread was sparked by seeing that a lot of guys thought that the latest km article would be a great talking point.

there are a number of jwd poster who have lived through the hell of having a wife who thinks it is the truth.

i am happy to say that i have been through it and survived.

Doubting Bro

I'm also in a similar situation. If I could free her, I'd leave tomorrow. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

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Watchtower crackdowns 2007 recap

by drew sagan in

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friends

so i've been thinking about many of the different things the wts has put into effect this year in keep their strong hold on the flock: .

- a new edition of the watchtower for jws only that uses all of their insider terminology.

- individuals who are disfelloshipped, dissassociated, or have ceased association with the congregation should not receive the current literature.

Doubting Bro

Don't forget the explict instructions to not wear jeans, shorts, ect when dining out after the district conventions. Also, that you should always wear your name tag. These were couched as suggestions in the past but were written as commandments this year. By the way, this was not followed very well where I went to the DC.